Rimmerman on BDX 2016
Rimmerman on BDX 2016
Ladies and Gentleman: 2016 Bordeaux is Alive and Kicking
Dear Friends,
First off, if you would rather avoid the exaggerated and over-generalized giant tomb of text below, you can skip to the bullet points at the bottom as a summation. In addition, all references to “historic” vintages such as 1900 or 1961 are assumptions based on bottles tasted over the course of my career - I was not alive when they were released
So...
While the world has descended on Bordeaux to sample the frost-affected 2017’s (sort of a 2014/2008/1999 hybrid of sorts), the taster is better served to take a look back at what is about to redefine an entire region.
2016.
Therefore...
It will come as little shock to those that have followed this page for a number of years when I type the following: at this stage (prior to bottling), 2016 is the finest red Bordeaux vintage of my lifetime. The highs are higher than 1982, 1989, 1990, 1996, 2005, 2010 and, yes, 2015...but it’s also far from homogeneous and more heterogeneous than will be comfortable for some (it will not be for everyone). It’s more in line with the variability of 1996 (a vintage with kinship) but it’s still a “do whatever is necessary to obtain” year.
Really?
Really.
Unlike its sibling vintage (2015) that it will ultimately be compared to throughout its life (think: 1928/1929, 1945/1947, 1959/1961, 1989/1990, 1995/1996, 2009/2010), 2016 is not a “feel good” story for the vast majority of consumers. 2015 is easier to understand and admire (but is it great?) - 2016 is a much tougher nut to crack unless you have a bit of experience with wine and some semblance of history with Bordeaux and the Old World in general. That does not mean it’s a collector-only vintage (even though the 2016’s may be a bit too 1970 for some mixed with a touch too much bursting red fruit and a molten mineral style akin to Morgon, Chinon and Mondeuse. If you fall into the latter camp, I implore you to cast preconception aside and go all-in on 2016 or you will miss what may ultimately be remembered and revered as the single most unique and exceptional vintage of the last 50+ years).
Really?
Really.
In a “futures” sense, there may never be another vintage as good as 2016 – plain and simple...at least not until next year
Like many others that wander through the world of wine writing and analysis, I’ve stumbled, fumbled and danced across an array of words to properly describe the 2016 Bordeaux vintage but it’s not easy to jumble together an appropriate string of descriptors. Pockets and parcels vary a great deal from North to South, Left to Right but words such as: INCREDIBLE, ALIVE!, FABULOUS, CEREBRAL and FASCINATING keep rearing their heads, yet...the “whole” is tough to describe with one set of words. If a unifying theme is your thing (i.e. 2015 is good, 1991 is not good), 2016 will not make you a happy camper. On the other hand, if you are willing to do a bit of research and work for your prize, it’s a vintage without peer.
The problem with 2016 for many consumers is that it’s devoid (mostly) of consumer-friendly and consumer-enticing word groupings such as: “IT TASTES LIKE HARLAN!”, “SLATHERED OAK!”, “YUMMY!”, “OHHH DARK FRUIT!” plus other easy-to-love words that are quite appropriate for 2015, 2010 or 2009 (2010 being the most tannic and potentially drying vintage of the three) but not so for 2016.
2016, by giant contrast, keeps coming back to simple minds that are actually quite cerebral – the three words: “Alive and Kicking” sum it up but I can also see a chip on 2016’s shoulder as it sings “Don’t You Forget About Me” while 2015 garners all the attention.
Why is 2016 “the greatest vintage” of my lifetime? I thought 2015 was the greatest?
2015 is, well, good (if you like the style) but 2016 is transcendental.
There are problems in 2016 for sure – it’s not an “Oh my!” year for Margaux in general (Chateau Margaux is excellent but it’s not at the heights of 1996 which may be the finest Margaux since the 1900) and it’s not a great year for a few notable surprises, the biggest being Canon. Once again, by contrast, 2016 was a potentially tough vintage on the plateau of Saint-Emilion and especially so at Canon (although, Ausone may have produced their greatest wine in 50 years).
As far as Canon is concerned, after such a world-unifying 2015 (a 100pt result from several critical voices), the 2016 feels pieced together from various plots that fought greenness and an uneasy/unripe quality. I’m sure my opinion will differ from Neal and others (who may place the 2016 Canon on a similar, although stylistically opposite/Franc jovial level as 2015), but - at this stage – the wine is fighting too many disparate parts that ultimately must become one. Time will tell, maybe it will happen – maybe they will produce a much smaller output of finished wine and only use the very best barrels without the troublesome Franc? We’ll see, but I’m not hopeful.
There are other problems in 2016 (Leoville Poyferre seems to have missed the mark) but there are also “otherworldly elations” (Les Carmes Haut Brion, the above mentioned Ausone, Calon Segur, Leoville Las Cases, Montrose, Figeac, Pichon Baron, Pichon Lalande, Pape Clement – really!) and there are a number of “jury's out” candidates (Cos d’Estournel will be the most controversial – I can see anywhere from 89pts to 100pts depending on the voice, Mouton as well due to its MASSIVE and tannic style) but one thing is certain: the highs of 2016 outstrip any preceding vintage, except for (maybe) 1961. It’s the only vintage I can ever remember tasting where more than a handful of examples left you without the ability to speak due to their absolutely spellbinding nature. In addition, the 2016 La Mission/Haut Brion two-step may be the finest since 1989 (both are FAR better than 2015 with less alcohol – a real problem in many of the 2015 Pessac/Graves red wines – some are pushing 15.0%).
Ok, enough background blather – what are the wines like?
First a bit more background (sorry).
One of the primary reasons 2016 is such a success is the modern age we live in. I’m not sure 2016 would have achieved the same starry heights if it were, say, vinified in 1996 (the vintage with the most appropriate comparison and potential “leafy” similarity – although most of the leafiness is on the Right Bank in 2016, not the Left and Right as in 1996). The current care and concern of the Bordelaise themselves (along with giant investment by individuals and conglomerates), is far greater in today’s Aquitaine than back in 1982 (or 1961) and it has has caused a race to the top with little room for error.
The funny thing?
The finest results of 2016 (to this stage, still in barrel) required no tinkering – they are as pure, natural and real as it gets.
In 2016, you have Bordeaux coming of age – greeting the next generation the way the iPhone held out its hand to Millennials still in grade school and ushered their entire youth into one giant “awareness” and editable Finsta cesspool of “I’ll show you exactly what I want to show you, with colors and staging perfectly in place, and nothing more”.
At some point we all require Rinsta – the “real” instant life showcase – our reality on display - with flaws, peaks and valleys lovingly on stage for your closest friends to admire.
That real life stage is 2016 Bordeaux.
2016 is unedited. It’s not always easy but it is stunning and most certainly great. It titilates and surprises the way few vintages can and/or will. It will not be lauded by all (it’s probably not a Suckling vintage) but it should be adored by the likes of Tanzer, Martin, Gilman and Galloni (I think).
A few quick facts on 2016 and a semi-summation of points made above:
• It’s a Left Bank year (generally) but not really a Margaux year.
• The song “Red Red Wine” is appropriate for several reasons – 2016 is a bursting freshness and massive red fruit and mineral-stuffed/rock-clenched vintage with few peers. It’s also a red wine vintage, the whites are, in general, not great.
• 2016 is an amalgam of everything here and now in the youth-bred wine world – think: Morgon, Savoie, new age Pommard, Chinon, Alto Adige, Gaillac and a host of other coolio regions and blend them together with the history and terroir of Bordeaux and you will be close.
• This is not 2008 or 2014 (2017 is somewhat in that vein). 2016 is a new, completely different animal with freshness and incredible levels of red fruit depth rarely, if ever, seen or tasted before. 100+ years of potential aging for the finest examples is not an exaggeration. I will repeat that: 100+ years.
• 2016 trends to be a Northern Left Bank year, the opposite of 2015. It’s eerily similar geographically to its partner in “6” crime – 1996 (except for an inverted relationship between Pessac and Margaux – Pessac was not the bullseye in 1996 but it is one of them in 2016 – the opposite for Margaux).
• 1995, like 2015, was incredibly hyped but it cannot live up to 1996. Same for 2015 versus 2016. When 2016 gets it, there is no way 2015 can live up to the greatness of 2016 (but that is not an absolute rule due to scattered success in 2016).
• 2016 gives us spectacular knee-bending mineral-stuffed, dry and Musigny-like gorgeous examples dotted about the landscape (but not everywhere). 2015, by contrast, does not have that type of backbone nor those types of highs but it is a more consistent and “yummy” vintage.
• 1996, like 2016, came along and spoiled the party with controversial/opposite reactions from respected critics – expect the same for 2016.
• 2016 should be a Tanzer and/or Neal Martin year.
• 2016 is probably not a Suckling year (although, I’m sure there will be a few requisite “100 pt” notes thrown around for good measure).
• US consumers tend to generalize. It feels good and puts most in a comfort zone: “2009 is great!”, “2007 is terrible, right?” 2016 is not a “general” vintage – you’re going to have to work a bit to get to the good stuff. If you need an “1982 is awesome!” year, stick with 2015 (but you also must enjoy the type of extractive/high alcohol style that puts Haut Brion and La Mission close to 15.0% alcohol. Yes, that 15.0%.)
• There are certain properties in 2016 that have produced what may very well be their single finest achievement to date and that is saying an awful lot (Leoville Las Cases, Ducru Beaucaillou, Montrose, Figeac, Calon Segur, Ausone, Le Carmes Haut Brion, La Mission Haut Brion, Pape Clement to name a few) and others that missed the plot because things just didn’t go their way (Canon, Leoville Poyferre, Pavie) and still others with 100pt potential but controversial personas (Cos d’Estournel, Mouton Rothschild).
• The wine of the vintage (still in barrel)? That is REALLY tough but I keep going back to Leoville Las Cases, Ducru Beaucaillou, Figeac and Ausone.
Dear Friends,
First off, if you would rather avoid the exaggerated and over-generalized giant tomb of text below, you can skip to the bullet points at the bottom as a summation. In addition, all references to “historic” vintages such as 1900 or 1961 are assumptions based on bottles tasted over the course of my career - I was not alive when they were released
So...
While the world has descended on Bordeaux to sample the frost-affected 2017’s (sort of a 2014/2008/1999 hybrid of sorts), the taster is better served to take a look back at what is about to redefine an entire region.
2016.
Therefore...
It will come as little shock to those that have followed this page for a number of years when I type the following: at this stage (prior to bottling), 2016 is the finest red Bordeaux vintage of my lifetime. The highs are higher than 1982, 1989, 1990, 1996, 2005, 2010 and, yes, 2015...but it’s also far from homogeneous and more heterogeneous than will be comfortable for some (it will not be for everyone). It’s more in line with the variability of 1996 (a vintage with kinship) but it’s still a “do whatever is necessary to obtain” year.
Really?
Really.
Unlike its sibling vintage (2015) that it will ultimately be compared to throughout its life (think: 1928/1929, 1945/1947, 1959/1961, 1989/1990, 1995/1996, 2009/2010), 2016 is not a “feel good” story for the vast majority of consumers. 2015 is easier to understand and admire (but is it great?) - 2016 is a much tougher nut to crack unless you have a bit of experience with wine and some semblance of history with Bordeaux and the Old World in general. That does not mean it’s a collector-only vintage (even though the 2016’s may be a bit too 1970 for some mixed with a touch too much bursting red fruit and a molten mineral style akin to Morgon, Chinon and Mondeuse. If you fall into the latter camp, I implore you to cast preconception aside and go all-in on 2016 or you will miss what may ultimately be remembered and revered as the single most unique and exceptional vintage of the last 50+ years).
Really?
Really.
In a “futures” sense, there may never be another vintage as good as 2016 – plain and simple...at least not until next year
Like many others that wander through the world of wine writing and analysis, I’ve stumbled, fumbled and danced across an array of words to properly describe the 2016 Bordeaux vintage but it’s not easy to jumble together an appropriate string of descriptors. Pockets and parcels vary a great deal from North to South, Left to Right but words such as: INCREDIBLE, ALIVE!, FABULOUS, CEREBRAL and FASCINATING keep rearing their heads, yet...the “whole” is tough to describe with one set of words. If a unifying theme is your thing (i.e. 2015 is good, 1991 is not good), 2016 will not make you a happy camper. On the other hand, if you are willing to do a bit of research and work for your prize, it’s a vintage without peer.
The problem with 2016 for many consumers is that it’s devoid (mostly) of consumer-friendly and consumer-enticing word groupings such as: “IT TASTES LIKE HARLAN!”, “SLATHERED OAK!”, “YUMMY!”, “OHHH DARK FRUIT!” plus other easy-to-love words that are quite appropriate for 2015, 2010 or 2009 (2010 being the most tannic and potentially drying vintage of the three) but not so for 2016.
2016, by giant contrast, keeps coming back to simple minds that are actually quite cerebral – the three words: “Alive and Kicking” sum it up but I can also see a chip on 2016’s shoulder as it sings “Don’t You Forget About Me” while 2015 garners all the attention.
Why is 2016 “the greatest vintage” of my lifetime? I thought 2015 was the greatest?
2015 is, well, good (if you like the style) but 2016 is transcendental.
There are problems in 2016 for sure – it’s not an “Oh my!” year for Margaux in general (Chateau Margaux is excellent but it’s not at the heights of 1996 which may be the finest Margaux since the 1900) and it’s not a great year for a few notable surprises, the biggest being Canon. Once again, by contrast, 2016 was a potentially tough vintage on the plateau of Saint-Emilion and especially so at Canon (although, Ausone may have produced their greatest wine in 50 years).
As far as Canon is concerned, after such a world-unifying 2015 (a 100pt result from several critical voices), the 2016 feels pieced together from various plots that fought greenness and an uneasy/unripe quality. I’m sure my opinion will differ from Neal and others (who may place the 2016 Canon on a similar, although stylistically opposite/Franc jovial level as 2015), but - at this stage – the wine is fighting too many disparate parts that ultimately must become one. Time will tell, maybe it will happen – maybe they will produce a much smaller output of finished wine and only use the very best barrels without the troublesome Franc? We’ll see, but I’m not hopeful.
There are other problems in 2016 (Leoville Poyferre seems to have missed the mark) but there are also “otherworldly elations” (Les Carmes Haut Brion, the above mentioned Ausone, Calon Segur, Leoville Las Cases, Montrose, Figeac, Pichon Baron, Pichon Lalande, Pape Clement – really!) and there are a number of “jury's out” candidates (Cos d’Estournel will be the most controversial – I can see anywhere from 89pts to 100pts depending on the voice, Mouton as well due to its MASSIVE and tannic style) but one thing is certain: the highs of 2016 outstrip any preceding vintage, except for (maybe) 1961. It’s the only vintage I can ever remember tasting where more than a handful of examples left you without the ability to speak due to their absolutely spellbinding nature. In addition, the 2016 La Mission/Haut Brion two-step may be the finest since 1989 (both are FAR better than 2015 with less alcohol – a real problem in many of the 2015 Pessac/Graves red wines – some are pushing 15.0%).
Ok, enough background blather – what are the wines like?
First a bit more background (sorry).
One of the primary reasons 2016 is such a success is the modern age we live in. I’m not sure 2016 would have achieved the same starry heights if it were, say, vinified in 1996 (the vintage with the most appropriate comparison and potential “leafy” similarity – although most of the leafiness is on the Right Bank in 2016, not the Left and Right as in 1996). The current care and concern of the Bordelaise themselves (along with giant investment by individuals and conglomerates), is far greater in today’s Aquitaine than back in 1982 (or 1961) and it has has caused a race to the top with little room for error.
The funny thing?
The finest results of 2016 (to this stage, still in barrel) required no tinkering – they are as pure, natural and real as it gets.
In 2016, you have Bordeaux coming of age – greeting the next generation the way the iPhone held out its hand to Millennials still in grade school and ushered their entire youth into one giant “awareness” and editable Finsta cesspool of “I’ll show you exactly what I want to show you, with colors and staging perfectly in place, and nothing more”.
At some point we all require Rinsta – the “real” instant life showcase – our reality on display - with flaws, peaks and valleys lovingly on stage for your closest friends to admire.
That real life stage is 2016 Bordeaux.
2016 is unedited. It’s not always easy but it is stunning and most certainly great. It titilates and surprises the way few vintages can and/or will. It will not be lauded by all (it’s probably not a Suckling vintage) but it should be adored by the likes of Tanzer, Martin, Gilman and Galloni (I think).
A few quick facts on 2016 and a semi-summation of points made above:
• It’s a Left Bank year (generally) but not really a Margaux year.
• The song “Red Red Wine” is appropriate for several reasons – 2016 is a bursting freshness and massive red fruit and mineral-stuffed/rock-clenched vintage with few peers. It’s also a red wine vintage, the whites are, in general, not great.
• 2016 is an amalgam of everything here and now in the youth-bred wine world – think: Morgon, Savoie, new age Pommard, Chinon, Alto Adige, Gaillac and a host of other coolio regions and blend them together with the history and terroir of Bordeaux and you will be close.
• This is not 2008 or 2014 (2017 is somewhat in that vein). 2016 is a new, completely different animal with freshness and incredible levels of red fruit depth rarely, if ever, seen or tasted before. 100+ years of potential aging for the finest examples is not an exaggeration. I will repeat that: 100+ years.
• 2016 trends to be a Northern Left Bank year, the opposite of 2015. It’s eerily similar geographically to its partner in “6” crime – 1996 (except for an inverted relationship between Pessac and Margaux – Pessac was not the bullseye in 1996 but it is one of them in 2016 – the opposite for Margaux).
• 1995, like 2015, was incredibly hyped but it cannot live up to 1996. Same for 2015 versus 2016. When 2016 gets it, there is no way 2015 can live up to the greatness of 2016 (but that is not an absolute rule due to scattered success in 2016).
• 2016 gives us spectacular knee-bending mineral-stuffed, dry and Musigny-like gorgeous examples dotted about the landscape (but not everywhere). 2015, by contrast, does not have that type of backbone nor those types of highs but it is a more consistent and “yummy” vintage.
• 1996, like 2016, came along and spoiled the party with controversial/opposite reactions from respected critics – expect the same for 2016.
• 2016 should be a Tanzer and/or Neal Martin year.
• 2016 is probably not a Suckling year (although, I’m sure there will be a few requisite “100 pt” notes thrown around for good measure).
• US consumers tend to generalize. It feels good and puts most in a comfort zone: “2009 is great!”, “2007 is terrible, right?” 2016 is not a “general” vintage – you’re going to have to work a bit to get to the good stuff. If you need an “1982 is awesome!” year, stick with 2015 (but you also must enjoy the type of extractive/high alcohol style that puts Haut Brion and La Mission close to 15.0% alcohol. Yes, that 15.0%.)
• There are certain properties in 2016 that have produced what may very well be their single finest achievement to date and that is saying an awful lot (Leoville Las Cases, Ducru Beaucaillou, Montrose, Figeac, Calon Segur, Ausone, Le Carmes Haut Brion, La Mission Haut Brion, Pape Clement to name a few) and others that missed the plot because things just didn’t go their way (Canon, Leoville Poyferre, Pavie) and still others with 100pt potential but controversial personas (Cos d’Estournel, Mouton Rothschild).
• The wine of the vintage (still in barrel)? That is REALLY tough but I keep going back to Leoville Las Cases, Ducru Beaucaillou, Figeac and Ausone.
Re: Rimmerman on BDX 2016
I wasn't able to edit that properly, but those comments are from Garagiste/Jon Rimmerman.
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Sounds like he might like the vintage a bit.
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I'm not on the Garagiste distribution, but I think I have heard that he tends to overexaggerate?
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JR is all salesman, no doubt. Even so, a very enthusiastic write-up. One thing that stood out to me was his disappointment with Canon. I seem to recall reading high praise for that wine, but don’t recall where. Maybe Ian?
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David,
2014 Canon that we tasted at the chateau in 2015 was a hit that I came home and bought on futures then their 2015 was touted as a 100pt wine by some so it seemed the chateau was on a roll. Not sure why their fruit didn't ripen in 2016?? Maybe that explains Giscours chaptilization controversy as well with the description of a poor Margaux vintage. Frankly I don't understand the concept of having to gain approval from AOC in an unripe year even if its localized to a few vineyards rather than requiring the entire commune to be approved. The chateau has to sell their wines and consumers who buy them will give a thumbs up or down based on taste or reviews. Why should someone be punished for trying salvage a poor vintage by adding sugar?? The AOC are not the ones taking the financial hit its the Chateau. What am I missing other than trying to enforce tradition!
2014 Canon that we tasted at the chateau in 2015 was a hit that I came home and bought on futures then their 2015 was touted as a 100pt wine by some so it seemed the chateau was on a roll. Not sure why their fruit didn't ripen in 2016?? Maybe that explains Giscours chaptilization controversy as well with the description of a poor Margaux vintage. Frankly I don't understand the concept of having to gain approval from AOC in an unripe year even if its localized to a few vineyards rather than requiring the entire commune to be approved. The chateau has to sell their wines and consumers who buy them will give a thumbs up or down based on taste or reviews. Why should someone be punished for trying salvage a poor vintage by adding sugar?? The AOC are not the ones taking the financial hit its the Chateau. What am I missing other than trying to enforce tradition!
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Not only does he exaggerate he over exaggerates and what he written has been written before in this parish.
http://www.bordeauxwineenthusiasts.com/ ... 299#p60299
2016 is a dream come true. If it is not the best vintage it is one of the most exciting because quite simply the wines seem to tick all my boxes. The 2016 vintage moves the game on from previous star vintages like 2005 (highly/too? extracted), 2009 (too opulent? and Californian?) and 2010 (too clinical and forceful?). The 2016s are generally significantly lower in alcohol and have a deftness of touch, levity, and sprightliness that these other vintages lack. Yes this has to do with the waning influence of Robert Parker. Recent vintages have been moving in that direction but the 2016 vintage really confirms it, as did several of the winemakers last night. There are some brilliant expressions of terroir on both banks, especially on the left. There is plenty of fruit and opulence in these wines, but at the same time they posses perfect equilibrium and gravitas.
The 16 Canon was pretty good in June David, and I don’t recognise Rimmerman’s description of it...having said that the 15 Canon probably edges it, despite its 14.6% ABV.
http://www.bordeauxwineenthusiasts.com/ ... 299#p60299
2016 is a dream come true. If it is not the best vintage it is one of the most exciting because quite simply the wines seem to tick all my boxes. The 2016 vintage moves the game on from previous star vintages like 2005 (highly/too? extracted), 2009 (too opulent? and Californian?) and 2010 (too clinical and forceful?). The 2016s are generally significantly lower in alcohol and have a deftness of touch, levity, and sprightliness that these other vintages lack. Yes this has to do with the waning influence of Robert Parker. Recent vintages have been moving in that direction but the 2016 vintage really confirms it, as did several of the winemakers last night. There are some brilliant expressions of terroir on both banks, especially on the left. There is plenty of fruit and opulence in these wines, but at the same time they posses perfect equilibrium and gravitas.
The 16 Canon was pretty good in June David, and I don’t recognise Rimmerman’s description of it...having said that the 15 Canon probably edges it, despite its 14.6% ABV.
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He mentioned just about everything and everyone except JimHow: Is it a JimHow kind of year?
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Ha you took the words out of my mouth Hound.
The only question is whether I want to wait until my 80s to drink them.
The only question is whether I want to wait until my 80s to drink them.
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Sounds like a lot of the 16s will be Howable. Leafy, crisp, precise, cool. Northern left bank. It's got How written all over it.
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He Who Shall Remain Nameless said that the 1996 left bank produced the ripest cabernet in 50 years up to that point.
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I think they should do a documentary:
"Jim How: A Left Bank Journey, 1996 to 2016."
"Jim How: A Left Bank Journey, 1996 to 2016."
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I think 1986 through 2016 would be more fitting as I was just thinking how could your journey not include the ‘86 Mouton or ‘89 Lynch, that is unless you were proposing a multi episode journeyJimHow wrote:I think they should do a documentary:
"Jim How: A Left Bank Journey, 1996 to 2016."
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It was about 1996 that I really started to get interested in wine, JC, and by that Suckling WS article on 1995 Bordeaux and that HWSRN article on 1996L, I was forever obsessed. I'm as obsessed about Bordeaux today as I was 20 years ago.
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Thanks for the kind words for BWE, Ian, we are very proud of BWE. It has been one hell of a ride!
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Danny, I agree with your premise but I guess the French are pretty obsessive and rigid when it comes to the whole AOC thing. Does it prevent abuse ordilution of the brand? Or is it regulation for regulation's sake? Probably somewhere in between. I do wonder why Giscours felt it necessary to chaptalize their Merlot.
Ian, thanks for that link. I knew your report had been a major enabler. I bought 2 cases of 2016 futures despite my advancing years and (up until then successful) pledge to stop buying wines. Your notes encouraged me to concentrate on the Pichon Lalande and Conseillante, two long-time favorites. I tossed a bit of Canon into the mix and am hoping Rimmerman is off on that one.
Jim, 2016 sure sounds like a How kind of year. I know you’ll suck 'em down too young so I’ll save a few to open for you at the BWE 40th Anniversary Convention in 2040. As to the documentary, have your people call Redford's people.
Ian, thanks for that link. I knew your report had been a major enabler. I bought 2 cases of 2016 futures despite my advancing years and (up until then successful) pledge to stop buying wines. Your notes encouraged me to concentrate on the Pichon Lalande and Conseillante, two long-time favorites. I tossed a bit of Canon into the mix and am hoping Rimmerman is off on that one.
Jim, 2016 sure sounds like a How kind of year. I know you’ll suck 'em down too young so I’ll save a few to open for you at the BWE 40th Anniversary Convention in 2040. As to the documentary, have your people call Redford's people.
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David, I've been following in your foot steps in theory but unfortunately being influenced by Steffan,Ian, Jim and other enablers. I thought 2010 futures were it for me and in came 10 cases 0f 2014s and waiting on 10 more from 15 & 16 futures camaign. I'm done,done,done...no more and I don't care about vintages of the century! Thank god 2017 isn't looking tempting. Maybe if I start with one year off the habit then I can expand out further. Just like a reformed addict. I can see it now....1 year clean and counting!!
Danny
Re: Rimmerman on BDX 2016
goddamn, Rimmerman's purple prose is pulling me in. Even though I was a member of Garagiste for a while and know very well how much he exaggerates.
I had resolved to call it quits after the 2010 vintage but seeing so many people 15-20+ years older than me still enjoying their wine at BWE DC made my resolve weaken. I have jumped into 2014 as it seemed like a good vintage at bargain prices and hedges my aging risk by likely being the earliest of the 2014-16 vintages to mature. ("Jumped" for me, anyway -- I generally own from 1-2 cases per vintage, not like dst who grabs ten cases at a time!). So for 2014 I now have:
4*Leoville Barton
4*Grand Puy Lacoste
3*Domaine de Chevalier red
3*Pichon Lalande
3*Cos d'Estournel
2*Chateau Canon
almost 20 bottles, a ton for me to buy this early.
But the 2016s are sounding so ideal, red fruited, crisp and lively but still intense...I am hearing the siren song...nooooooooo!
(2014 was not the end of the enabling that happened from BWE DC for me, also picked up a half a case of 2009 Leoville Barton...I think 2009 is going to be a great vintage and I can't pass up having my favorite chateau in that year. Also a couple of bottles of 2003 Cos d'Estournel, just because it's a great wine).
I had resolved to call it quits after the 2010 vintage but seeing so many people 15-20+ years older than me still enjoying their wine at BWE DC made my resolve weaken. I have jumped into 2014 as it seemed like a good vintage at bargain prices and hedges my aging risk by likely being the earliest of the 2014-16 vintages to mature. ("Jumped" for me, anyway -- I generally own from 1-2 cases per vintage, not like dst who grabs ten cases at a time!). So for 2014 I now have:
4*Leoville Barton
4*Grand Puy Lacoste
3*Domaine de Chevalier red
3*Pichon Lalande
3*Cos d'Estournel
2*Chateau Canon
almost 20 bottles, a ton for me to buy this early.
But the 2016s are sounding so ideal, red fruited, crisp and lively but still intense...I am hearing the siren song...nooooooooo!
(2014 was not the end of the enabling that happened from BWE DC for me, also picked up a half a case of 2009 Leoville Barton...I think 2009 is going to be a great vintage and I can't pass up having my favorite chateau in that year. Also a couple of bottles of 2003 Cos d'Estournel, just because it's a great wine).
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I generally own from 1-2 cases per vintage
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1-2 cases per vintage of each of the ten or so Bordeaux estates you like best is about right if you add bottles of some other ones as well.
I generally own from 1-2 cases per vintage
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1-2 cases per vintage of each of the ten or so Bordeaux estates you like best is about right if you add bottles of some other ones as well.
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this thread just cost me cold hard cash...to the tune of 3*Pichon Baron and 4*Leoville Barton...damn you John Rimmerman!
not going to be able to drink this stuff till I'm 65 and not sure why I should lock up my money till then given that the world will never run out of great Bordeaux, but at least I'll get to gaze lovingly at new lines on my Cellartracker inventory list.
not going to be able to drink this stuff till I'm 65 and not sure why I should lock up my money till then given that the world will never run out of great Bordeaux, but at least I'll get to gaze lovingly at new lines on my Cellartracker inventory list.
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I truly see 2016 as my last great investment.
I see myself buying like one case each of some of my mid-priced favorites like Cantemerle, Chasse Spleen, Meyney, Sociando, etc., etc., and then buying lesser quantities of other higher priced favorites like Calon Segur, Lafon Rochet, d'Armailhac, Clerc Milon, and then buying a bottle or two of wines like Pichon Baron, etc., etc.
I already bought a case of 2016 Tour St. Christophe from Zachy's at $23 per bottle. Should we be staying away from the right bank in 2016?
I see myself buying like one case each of some of my mid-priced favorites like Cantemerle, Chasse Spleen, Meyney, Sociando, etc., etc., and then buying lesser quantities of other higher priced favorites like Calon Segur, Lafon Rochet, d'Armailhac, Clerc Milon, and then buying a bottle or two of wines like Pichon Baron, etc., etc.
I already bought a case of 2016 Tour St. Christophe from Zachy's at $23 per bottle. Should we be staying away from the right bank in 2016?
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Jim my impressions are that the right bank is very strong, maybe even on a par with the left bank in 2016. I think La Conseillante made their best ever wine in 2016 and I have tasted everything since 1981. Likewise Figeac May have made their best ever in 2016. Of course there are legendary wines from the 1940s, but wine making technology hasn’t exactly stood still. I would go 70-30 left-right. Based on what I tried, and excluding first growths, a ten case 2016 dream team would look something like this:
Montrose (or Cos)
Lynch Bages (or Pichon Baron)
Pichon Lalande
Leoville Lascases
Beychevelle or (Gruaud Larose)
Brane Cantenac (or Rauzan Segla)
Haut Bailly (or Smith Haut Lafitte)
La Conseillante
Figeac
Clos Fourtet (or Canon)
From memory I got Pichon Lalande, Beychevelle, Gruaud Larose, Leoville Barton, Brane Cantenac, Haut-Bailly, SHL, Figeac and Conseillante. If money was less of an object I would have put a lot more chips on the table.
Montrose (or Cos)
Lynch Bages (or Pichon Baron)
Pichon Lalande
Leoville Lascases
Beychevelle or (Gruaud Larose)
Brane Cantenac (or Rauzan Segla)
Haut Bailly (or Smith Haut Lafitte)
La Conseillante
Figeac
Clos Fourtet (or Canon)
From memory I got Pichon Lalande, Beychevelle, Gruaud Larose, Leoville Barton, Brane Cantenac, Haut-Bailly, SHL, Figeac and Conseillante. If money was less of an object I would have put a lot more chips on the table.
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I ordered a case of Lagrange (St. Julien) at what appears to be an advantageous price. Like the man says, "we'll see."
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Very well done, Hound. Very well done indeed.
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Whenever Jim says this I always envision him rubbing his hands together like Mr Burns from the Simpsons..."eeeeexcellent....eeexcellent"JimHow wrote:Very well done, Hound. Very well done indeed.
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Funny, when I read that I think of Teddy Roosevelt offering congratulations on a successful conquest.
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I am a Bordeaux wine enthusiast.
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And the last I calculated you are 15 years younger than some of us dinosaurs.JimHow wrote:The only question is whether I want to wait until my 80s to drink them.
Don't know much about Rimmerman, but I've seen far too much hype when it come to Bordeaux vintages over the last 36 years.
Bill
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Jon has many talents and can hype up regions even beyond BDX.
Truly a gift to my daily inbox, when I have cut off so many other vendors fearing future shipping SNAFUs.
Truly a gift to my daily inbox, when I have cut off so many other vendors fearing future shipping SNAFUs.
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Bill, Rimmerman is on the PT Barnum end of the sales spectrum. Not to say that he sells crap (though I’m sure everyone has to move a loser now and then) - he’s got a catalog of many excellent wines. But he’s quite the showman. I guess there are style preferences for sales pitches just as for wines. While Arv enjoys them, I feel like I need to put on waders when reading his missives. They do have some entertainment value, but I wouldn’t buy based on Rimmerman's recommendation alone.
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I am a proud Bordeaux wine enthusiast, but occasionally I mix it up a little, like today's delivery of 2010 Guigal d'Ampuls.
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My favorite line was " It’s the only vintage I can ever remember tasting where more than a handful of examples left you without the ability to speak due to their absolutely spellbinding nature."DavidG wrote:Bill, Rimmerman is on the PT Barnum end of the sales spectrum. Not to say that he sells crap (though I’m sure everyone has to move a loser now and then) - he’s got a catalog of many excellent wines. But he’s quite the showman. I guess there are style preferences for sales pitches just as for wines. While Arv enjoys them, I feel like I need to put on waders when reading his missives. They do have some entertainment value, but I wouldn’t buy based on Rimmerman's recommendation alone.
Where does he go from there? "I woke up in the emergency room, with no idea how I got there until the doctor informed me that I had passed out cold after touching a barrel sample of the 2018 Lafite to my lips...yet the hours-long finish was still lingering in my mouth...no other vintage I can ever remember provoked paroxsyms of ecstasy sufficient to deprive me of consciousness, until 2018 Left Bank"
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I've said this before but the truly gifted taster writes his notes before tasting the wine, and not vice versa.
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Senor Suckling can score the wine before even tasting it, an even more impressive feat.
Someday humans will break the 4 minute mile and the 100 pt wine.
We live in amazing times.
Someday humans will break the 4 minute mile and the 100 pt wine.
We live in amazing times.
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